00:29:46 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): Here is Bianca’s brief bio page: https://biancawylie.com/sample-page/ 00:37:19 james jacobs: here here! 00:37:40 james jacobs: public funds for public purpose! 00:43:34 james jacobs: Thank you for that reminder and chance to reflect Bianca. 00:47:27 Jen Peters: It's not even fully available in BC - we can't report through the app, though we can have it 'active.' But it feels like if we were going to do this contact tracing app, it should be fully available for the whole country, and it feels like they just stopped part way through implementing it. 00:48:30 Paula Clark Mann: Also, apparently, there is a bug within the app for people with certain types of phones so it doesn't actually work and there is no real way to figure out if it is working or not. 00:54:40 WendyR: But there's a concern in Canada that the non-participation of first-nations communities in gathering census data means that they don't get funding for programs and infrastructure improvements. How do we reconcile the need for data and the protection of privacy? 00:57:52 Sandra Sawchuk: The huge issue is the fundamental misunderstanding of our elected politicians on the issue of privacy. I did a text analysis / critical discourse analysis on 10 years of Hansard (during the Harper regime). I found that our MPs not only don't understand privacy, but that they think it's something that should only be afforded to 'law abiding citizens'. This misunderstanding was on both sides of the aisle. 01:01:07 james jacobs: ha the grass is always greener :-) Here in the US, the federal response to the pandemic has been completely bass ackwards 01:02:25 WendyR: "how much data do we need to do the right thing?" Great question - it often feels like calling an investigation is what we do instead of solving problems 01:02:34 Daniel Powell: Kim Christen of Washington State University has done some persuasive work with Indigenous groups to develop governance models for community knowledge: https://dtc.wsu.edu/kim-christen/ 01:04:50 Maureen Lau: Government can't really compete with the resources that multinational companies have. And the more this gap widens, the more crippled they are trying to be an effective governing body. This increases their reliance on further outsourcing to companies. It's basically a vicious cycle that in part stems from how confused government is when it comes to understanding how to really serve its people. Also, companies don't even necessarily need to be in bed with government to have wide-reaching influence on politics. Facebook and Youtube don't really officially have a seat at the table in the US government, but the impact they had on what is communicated to the public about politics is massive. How do we be optimistic about this as it escalates? 01:05:03 Daniel Powell: What methods/strategies/tactics have you found to be most effective in terms of internal or stakeholder lobbying with regards to tech system procurement? For example, arguing for an open source solution that might require more work than a corporate out of the box but straightforward solution? 01:06:15 james jacobs: :-) 01:09:28 Maureen Lau: Yes, that's why I was emphasizing that the problem stems from the confusion on the understanding of what governance means, we shouldn't be playing that game of competing with companies in what they do, but focus on what government does with serving people. And this isn't being communicated to the public effectively. 01:09:32 Michael McCaffrey: “it often feels like calling an investigation is what we do instead of solving problems” — you’ve actually defined the purpose of Royal Commissions rather well. 01:12:14 Kurtis Kolthammer: Thank you! 01:12:19 Danielle Chiang: Thanks! 01:12:21 WendyR: thankyou! 01:12:29 Simone: thanks for the wake up call Bianca 01:12:37 Lisette Lacroix: I’m inspired. thanks so much 01:21:36 james jacobs: that’s awesome! a census of picks and shovels!! 01:22:19 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): I had no idea there was a census on gardening tools! 01:23:26 Denise: A funny Hansard entry from a few days ago... ********** Hansard from Session: 42:1 Date: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 WEARING OF HAT The Deputy Speaker (Mr. Rick Nicholls): I recognize the member on a point of order. Ms. Goldie Ghamari: I’m seeking unanimous consent from this House to wear a Santa hat for my member’s statement. The Deputy Speaker (Mr. Rick Nicholls): The member is seeking unanimous consent. Agreed? Agreed. 01:23:28 Michael McCaffrey: Those who are interested in humour as found in Hansards might want to check out a journal put out by the Society of Clerks-at-the-Table (each issue has a section called ‘Unparliamentary Expressions’): http://www.societyofclerks.org/SCAT_Publish.asp 01:25:43 Andrew Lofft: American spelling was standard in newspapers of the time. It saved space and money to use 'labor' instead of 'labour' !! 01:26:22 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): Fascinating Andrew, thank you! 01:28:52 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): Are the Legislative Library’s subject headings based on LCSH or is it purely in house? 01:29:22 WendyR: @Susan Paterson - fully in house. 42 broad subjects used to organize work and information products 01:30:02 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): Thanks Wendy impressive! 01:30:07 Erica Smith: Here is the Advanced Search: https://vitacollections.ca/Ontario-Scrapbook-Hansard/AdvancedSearch 01:30:08 sandra: Actually 51 policy headings! 01:31:23 jess: the dates are probably the issue dates, since the “work week” runs ties-sat in the calendar view 01:31:32 jess: *ties-sat 01:31:43 jess: *tuesday-saturday sheesh 01:32:27 WendyR: does the search ignore accented characters? 01:32:32 Daniel Powell: Was the Date of Events automatically produced (one day before date of publication) or was each article examined and the date of event entered by hand? 01:33:32 Helene LeBlanc: Could you please go over again the geographic area of the holdings? When you say, "Ontario Hansard" is it just for Ontario / Lower Canada, or do the later years contain over jurisdictions of Canada? 01:34:07 Helene LeBlanc: (oops, "other jurisdictions..." ) 01:34:50 Daniel Powell: Is the full text version available either on its own or as part of the PDF page image? Or only in the back end for searching? 01:37:28 james jacobs: bummer I searched for picks and shovels and got 0 results :-( 01:37:34 Sam-Chin Li: Would the search term be highlighted on the search results? 01:37:37 jess: re: the accented characters, I searched é and got back results where the OCR text includes that accented character exactly; however, the é appears to be an OCR miscontruance of a non-accented character, e.g. https://vitacollections.ca/Ontario-Scrapbook-Hansard/results?q=%C3%A9 01:37:53 Helene LeBlanc: Thankyou. I was wondering about other "scrapbook" hansard efforts. :*) 01:38:05 james jacobs: thanks! 01:38:27 jess: the search terms should be highlighted, yes 01:38:28 WendyR: unlikely to see highlights 01:38:46 Helene LeBlanc: e.g. Alberta or Quebec, perhaps? 01:38:50 WendyR: I guess there's an opportunity for experimentation! 01:39:13 Julie: Hello everyone - we will continue to upload more Scrapbook Hansard articles. It may be a while before the complete collection is available. As Emily said, "a work in progress!" 01:39:35 Daniel Powell: Helene, we are undertaking a similar project with the BC Scrapbooks here at the BC Legislative Assembly. 01:39:55 Michael McCaffrey: Most research involving deliberative bodies is driven by specific dates. All I see are date range search options by year. Is there any way to idrill down to an actual date? 01:40:09 WendyR: are the Hansard projects being added to Gallup? 01:40:19 Daniel Powell: Quebec has also done some extensive work, up to publishing them in bound volumes after collecting them all. Took them 40 years I believe. 01:41:14 Julie: @Wendy - no we don't have plans to add these articles to GALLOP 01:41:59 Frank van Kalmthout: This is a very complex project! Thanks to all at the Legisltive Library for taking this on! I know the researchers of the Archives of Ontario will really appreciate it. 01:42:06 james jacobs: thank you! 01:44:44 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): OA GovInfo Book that Jen mentioned Sam-Chin is co-editor on: https://www.uap.ualberta.ca/titles/923-9781772124064-government-information-in-canada 01:44:58 Jen Peters: Thanks Susan! 01:47:44 Vincci Lui: FYI: navigating the literature module:  https://uoft.me/covidliterature 01:49:40 Vincci Lui: FYI - gov info guide link: https://guides.library.utoronto.ca/c.php?g=702478&p=5098930 01:58:05 Helene LeBlanc: Sam-Chin, does your guide have a place to submit suggested additions, e.g. other sites we find which may be of interest to you & the team? 02:00:28 Mark Rose (PTOC): 80% of my work since March has shifted to tracking municipal responses to COVID-19, as well as provincial/territorial government actions that impact municipalities. Metadata on articles/news releases is stored in a database. Weekly lists are published on the home page Muniscope website. The biggest challenge with tracking COVID-19 governmental information has been the increase in publication frequency by online news outlets and government agencies as well as re-announcements by governments. 02:00:55 Helene LeBlanc: Looking at the categories, would there be one for "Education" &/or "Childcare" issues & endeavours? :*) 02:01:50 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): Couldn’t agree more Mark. 02:02:39 Helene LeBlanc: I guess "FOI" / ATIP requests will be coming out sooner than later, Sam-Chin; perhaps another area to link out to? :*) 02:03:14 Helene LeBlanc: ..at least when things are deemed "releasable" by our governments. 02:04:29 Simone: Mark - too true! re-announcements and syndicated republishing plus multiple sites that post press releases and bacgrounders 02:05:08 Simone: Admirable Sam-chin 02:05:34 Sam-Chin Li: InfoGuide: https://uoft.me/covid19infoguide 02:08:37 Julia Lipinska (HC/PHAC): Vincci do you 'send' users here over current info from, say the Govt of Canada? 02:12:08 Sam-Chin Li: Fact check tool: https://go.utlib.ca/covidfactcheck 02:27:52 james jacobs: beautiful background image. Where is that? 02:33:01 james jacobs: CGI-PLN FTW! 02:33:03 Jen Peters: For anyone interested in the coalition: https://www.carl-abrc.ca/advancing-research/digital-preservation/cwac/ 02:33:31 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): OSF link to the CGI Page: https://osf.io/vpnrc/ 02:39:01 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): Yes the Archive-it folks are fantastic! 02:39:14 Katie Cuyler: Agreed! Thank you! 02:39:31 james jacobs: +1 @susan 02:41:15 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): Great to hear from our Quebec colleagues! Thanks Mireille! 02:45:16 james jacobs: great to see all the interest in web archiving of sub-national govts. Really important work! 02:49:13 Julia Lipinska (HC/PHAC): Tom how is COVID info being collected across the GOC themes? There is so much information being put up, taken down. many should be considered pubs but are not. 02:49:59 Julia Lipinska (HC/PHAC): not … by content creators and those who manage the web publication process. 02:50:08 Mark Rose (PTOC): Is copyright permission sought and documented prior to archiving municipal websites as they are corporations? 02:50:27 Tessa Inwood: Hi there, this question is for Tom Smyth at LAC, when is the Government of Canada Web Archive going to become available online again? When looking for historical draft legislation from the Department of Finance the archived material is not available and an error message that reads "Please note the Government of Canada Web Archive is currently not available" 02:51:33 james jacobs: are takedown requests very common? 02:53:51 james jacobs: re copyright, has there been any national legislation making a more clear statement about govinfo being in the public domain or putting it under creative commons or some other open license? 02:54:12 Chris Burns: +1 for Tessa's question for Tom re: access to GoC Web Archive. Also what is the progress on improving the searchability of the GoC web archive? 02:54:31 james jacobs: one positive about the US experience is that federal govinfo is considered in the public domain within the federal copyright law 02:54:41 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): As comparison BC’s copyright rules are strict: I.e no phrase for educational use https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/home/copyright 02:58:14 Chris Burns: I like that approach, Mireille. In the absence of a direct mandate, capture the sites without permission but don't make public until permission received (which a future administration might provide even if a current one does not). That way the content is not lost. 02:59:14 Chris Burns: GoC Web Archive down for 8 months so far, I believe. 02:59:40 Chris Burns: That's good to hear, Tom, thanks. 03:04:11 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): CBC article I mentioned re: archived web pages: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cerb-covid-coronavirus-pandemic-1.5840550 03:05:34 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): That’s great LAC is collecting provincial statements! 03:06:49 Helene LeBlanc: Just curious... In regards to social media instances of official government "comments" (e.g. Tweets, etc.) ABOUT Canadian governments, FROM other governments or IGOs... Is anyone collecting those? 03:07:14 james jacobs: web archives are like purchasing the entire library of babel and doing it again and again and again 03:08:01 Renee Saucier (Archives of Ontario): https://www.docnow.io/ 03:08:23 james jacobs: +1 documenting the now. very smart folks! 03:09:49 Helene LeBlanc: (Just thinking of the current President's opinions, for example... :*)) I realize that our researchers have always had to go to official government information sources from other countries, to find these opinions, but sometimes, it's just nice to know that someone is collecting a "Canadian Studies" kind of collection 03:10:28 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): Also technology indicates sometimes what can go in a site: I.e. https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/a6f23959a8b14bfa989e3cda29297ded 03:10:39 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): Important site but hard to capture as it’s arcgis 03:12:07 james jacobs: thanks for the interesting panel! 03:12:09 Marian Ramage: Thanks!! 03:12:14 Deborah: Excellent session. 03:12:57 Lori Donovan (she/her): Thanks for all the wonderful questions! 03:13:01 Jen Peters: Susan - I wonder if you'd be able to capture ArcGIS by using the tool mentioned yesterday about capturing interactive sites: https://conifer.rhizome.org/ Not sure if anyone's tried it 03:13:28 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): That’s what I’ve done Jen, excellent point but I haven’t been doing it daily 03:13:38 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): Thanks for the reminder. 03:14:13 Tom Smyth (LibraryArchivesCanada): (LAC's copyright takedown requests + private info takedown have only been about 6-7 total to date, mostly privacy) 03:14:25 Jen Peters: No problem :) I've been collecting all the tools people have been talking about, they're fascinating and I hope to be able to use some of them in the future. 03:14:38 james jacobs: Thanks for the info Tom 03:21:59 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): This is such a great project! 03:22:32 Tiffany Ribeiro: Im not sure if I heard correctly, but did you say OMECA? 03:22:50 Chris Burns: Sounds great. How are you advertising this project to get submissions? 03:22:51 Daniel Powell: https://omeka.org/ 03:22:54 Elana: Just interested to hear a bit more about the criteria for the project submissions. 03:23:59 Ravit David: Really intresting initiative, kudos to you 03:24:14 Tiffany Ribeiro: Yes thank you! 03:25:34 Katarina Daniels: Can the submission have been published elsewhere, too? Or does it have to be original content? 03:26:12 Chris Burns: thanks! 03:26:34 Yoo Young Lee: Re: Katarina - we’ve received three stories and all of them are original. 03:27:47 Katarina Daniels: Thanks, Yoo Young (and hi!). I’m thinking especially of this publication at McGill Law (https://www.contoursjournal.com/about) - there might be stories published there next issue that would be really relevant for your project. Could they republish? 03:29:21 Tom Smyth (LibraryArchivesCanada): +1 03:29:27 Yoo Young Lee: Hi Katarina :) Can I get back to you separately? This needs to be discussed first if this is ok. 03:29:47 Katarina Daniels: Absolutely! Thanks Yoo Young! 03:35:47 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): What a well rounded inclusive collection Nich, i.e including the anti maskers. I was going to ask about scope creep - I had that issue. 03:37:14 Ravit David: Wow Renee and Nice, so much content to archive. Impressive 03:38:40 Tom Smyth (LibraryArchivesCanada): scope creep is a great convo unto itself! 03:39:22 Andrea Mills: I’m sorry I missed the scope creep question. Let’s field that at the end if we have time. 03:40:05 Nicholas Worby: Thanks, Susan! I think it’s really important to revisit collection scoping docs regularly because the narrative shifts and the definition of what is at-risk shifts. Also, reaching out to other web archiving colleagues to see if they can help has worked for us! 03:40:46 Tom Smyth (LibraryArchivesCanada): +1 03:40:51 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): Excellent advice Nich - thx 03:45:03 Katarina Daniels: Rebekah - was there a reason why you did the captions in YouTube instead of in Camtasia directly? Was it easier? 03:47:10 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): Are the videos openly available or just on the Course Software Quercus 03:50:24 Chris Burns: Would love to see the videos, Sam-Chin, Nick and Rebekah! 03:51:59 Graeme Campbell: +1 03:53:52 Sam-Chin Li: It is our plan to make those videos openly available. 03:54:02 MD: I saw some paper titles that were in languages other than English nor French. Were these translated? Also, how did you make the PDFs accessible? Finally, if it's publicly available is getting copyright permission not an issue? 03:55:29 Susan Paterson (she/her/hers): Thank you Sam-Chin 03:55:58 Chris Burns: Excellent. Thanks, Sam-Chin! 03:58:42 Helene LeBlanc: Ads are OFTEN used & studied, by Historians in their work... 03:58:43 Julie: I believe Ravit is frozen 03:58:51 Graeme Campbell: or maybe just sound 04:05:42 Graeme Campbell: Thanks! 04:05:44 Yoo Young Lee: Thank you! 04:05:46 Chris Burns: Thanks! 04:05:46 Nicholas Worby: Thanks!! 04:05:50 Jen Peters: Thank you! 04:05:51 Erica Smith: Thank you!